Snoozy - Wow. Well, religion can be creative. I'll give it that much.
Mr. Falcon
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How Would you Interpret the Sign of the Last Days?
by Mr. Falcon inharold camping.
2012. wtbs doomsday prophecy.
maze's ramblings.
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How Would you Interpret the Sign of the Last Days?
by Mr. Falcon inharold camping.
2012. wtbs doomsday prophecy.
maze's ramblings.
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Mr. Falcon
unshackled, I've had that happen to me as well. JWs speaking about things like viruses, earthquakes, biology, etc. as if they know anything about geology or biology. Most of them have never even cracked a history book open. Honestly, say me and unshackled were out on field service. We come across an elderly Jewish woman and proceed to tell her how things are worse now than ever before and man has never had it so bad. Well, it turns out that the elderly lady is a survivor of the Berkenwald camp. And here I am, a young person trying to tell a older person who endured unspeakable evil that now is the time of real suffering. Marinate on that.
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How Would you Interpret the Sign of the Last Days?
by Mr. Falcon inharold camping.
2012. wtbs doomsday prophecy.
maze's ramblings.
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Mr. Falcon
The Bible has been used as a medium to set up kingdoms for human gods. That's what happens when the "signs of the last days" are treated as a fundamental tenent of a religion; I have learned this from listening to, and living within, history. Maybe the Bible's wisdom has been squandered, but in the end all of us have the power of applying love in our lives.
Excellently said, Sab. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." (Santayana) Do as much positive as you can with the life you are given, ease the suffering of others as much as you can, and be judged by those standards.
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How Would you Interpret the Sign of the Last Days?
by Mr. Falcon inharold camping.
2012. wtbs doomsday prophecy.
maze's ramblings.
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Mr. Falcon
It reminds me of a talk an elder gave after 9/11 where he said "It used to be, here today, gone tommorow....now it's, here today, gone today" to the sound of MMMMMMMHMMMMMMMMM's all over the kingdom hall.
Dune, that kind of rhetoric is the of the same principle as when media sensationilizes something, or even when racism is "justified". For example, there were preachers in the South during slavery who actually twisted the Scriptures to justify slavery. And the people sitting in the audience may have been truly decent and God-fearing people. But they would hear a preacher tell them this and you could just picture them sitting there going "MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMhhhhhhMMMMM" and nodding their heads. Just because you come up with a clever or witty little saying or are an eloquent speaker does not make what comes out of your mouth correct!
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How Would you Interpret the Sign of the Last Days?
by Mr. Falcon inharold camping.
2012. wtbs doomsday prophecy.
maze's ramblings.
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Mr. Falcon
Bad things have been happening for melleniums and the will continue to happen for melleniums.
SIAM, I think this is a very realistic viewpoint. I'm not sure how everyone here views evolution, so I don't mean to offend anyone, but I believe that homo sapiens are subject to the same kind of conditions that influence natural selection just as any other organism. Couldn't one argue that we "evolve" in a intellectual and engineering way? Due to sanitary plumbing and building technology, humans can now populate areas that were uninhabitable centuries ago (although natural disasters still do their damage). Evolution teaches how many species adapted over time to inhabit certian unique ecosystems and climates. As I mentioned before, things are bad today. But it's not like the world was this magical, happy-go-lucky place prior to 1914.
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How Would you Interpret the Sign of the Last Days?
by Mr. Falcon inharold camping.
2012. wtbs doomsday prophecy.
maze's ramblings.
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Mr. Falcon
JeffT - You make a very interesting point. That's one thing I've never understood amidst all the JW doctrine pumped into my skull. We are told to serve Jehovah out of love, not out of reward. According to JW teachings, that was Satan's whole argument in that Job debacle. So, if in fact we are supposed to selflessly serve God out of love, not gain, then what is the point of dangling the Paradise carrot in front of people? Oh wait....
..... recruitment propaganda.
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How Would you Interpret the Sign of the Last Days?
by Mr. Falcon inharold camping.
2012. wtbs doomsday prophecy.
maze's ramblings.
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Mr. Falcon
If you are born in the USA, Canada, Europe, Australia, or a few other places you are already a big winner.
Agreed. And this applies not only to socioeconomic problems, but also to one's entire faith. As leavingwt once told me, "Do you really think you are that priviliged to be 'chosen' or do you think your religion has more to do with WHERE you are born?"
Fear is a powerful motivator, and if people are in fear of everlasting death at Armageddon, they will simply ask "How high?" everytime the WT says "Jump"
I see your point, LG. And that same fear generates hatred and suspicion against anyone who tries to ask even the most innocent of questions regarding all this wacky Armageddon doctrine. Such fear completely shuts down any kind of discussion or idea-sharing. So you can't even respectfully debate this topic with a JW.
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How Would you Interpret the Sign of the Last Days?
by Mr. Falcon inharold camping.
2012. wtbs doomsday prophecy.
maze's ramblings.
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Mr. Falcon
Harold Camping. 2012. WTBS doomsday prophecy. Maze's ramblings. Etc.
I'm curious about something, and I would like your opinions on it. Religious groups and others have been making doomsday prophecies for a long while now. Nowadays, when they utter such apocalyptic predictions, they point to "worsening" conditions world-wide. Are things bad today? Yes, nobody is refuting that. There are serious problems that were barely an issue 100 years ago. Yet, to be fair, there were problems 100 years ago that have been solved in our day and age.
But it must be acknowledged too that in many respects, human perception of suffering is also relative to one's own applicable situation. For example, we are in the midst of a bad economy. However, a rich person may be having the time of their life right now, completly untouched by the recession. So if you were to ask him how he feels about the economical problems, there's a higher chance that he's not going to be as concerned as say a laid-off factory worker with 4 small children.
We may feel sadness and pity for people starving in the Sudan, but realistically, we don't suffer their pain 24 hours like they do. I'm not entirely sure what I'm trying to say here, but I guess it just seems to me that as I look through history, there were peoples on this planet who were suffering HORRIFIC conditions. Irish peasants enduring Cromwell's persecution. Native Americans being massacred off of their land. Chinese farmers under constant threat of famine and Mongol invasion. London residents dying in droves from Plague. Unfortunate civilians living in cities and towns that were attacked during the Crusades. I can't help but wonder if all these unfortunate people believed that thier plight (which in the context of their individual situations, was much worse than anything experienced by anyone proclaiming Doomsday right now) was the Last Days or End of Days or whatever you want to call it.
I'm not making any damn sense. Does anyone know what I'm trying to ask here?
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Music-related jw urban myths
by rebel8 ini was researching a few....whew...did they ever bother to *think for themselves* or did they just believe every demon-related rumor they heard?
(rhetorical question).
stevie nicks was a witch.
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Mr. Falcon
I used to work with a JW guy who went nuts when we played The Smiths. He never heard of them and thought they were the greatest thing ever. ............until the day that we told him that Morrisey is gay and after that he HATED the Smiths. Hated them. Would demand that we turn it off.
True story.
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What's Your Favorite Internet Site?
by minimus insince my homepage is drudge report, i'd have to say that the drudge report is what i often check during the day.. of course, this site is clearly one of my favs..
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